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October 28, 2008

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JourneytoFamily

I agree with you 100%. We mailed our absentee ballots off already. And we didn't vote for Obama.

Chris Hubbs

A few thoughts in rejoinder:

1) I think the war to stop the abomination of abortion will be won one heart and mind at a time, rather than by the USSC.

2) But his tax cuts... really, I don't know. As our current crisis demonstrates, the economy is a mystery to most folks.

3) McCain and Obama's positions on Iraq are nearly the same. Doesn't favor either candidate.

4) I see the European angle a bit differently. I'm not worried so much about getting them to see us favorably again, though I think that wouldn't be a bad thing. However, I think if Obama wins, our European friends will eventually have to come to the startling realization that GWB isn't at fault for the entirety of the world's problems, and then they will have to start looking at themselves and their problems in a new light.

5) I tend to agree with you on education.

When I did my personal analysis of it, I decided that the choice between the two candidates was basically a wash, save for two items: the incompetent Sarah Palin, and health care.

Anyway, that's why I'm voting Obama. Thanks for letting me comment.

Boneman

Chris - thanks for commenting...

On #1 - shouldn't it be a both / and? One heart at a time AND murder is illegal?

On #2 - our current crisis shows that capitalism does need to be regulated to some degree, but it doesn't make Obama's approach more valid.

I don't think Palin is any worse than Biden or most other politicians.

If we make health care a basic right we will go bankrupt as a nation.

Chris Hubbs

Should it be a both/and? Yeah, probably. I guess I'm playing pragmatist on this one this year.

Palin's lack of experience frightens me. If she's just the VP for four years, it's not as frightening, but, well, let's put it this way: I wouldn't be frightened for my country if Biden had to step in and become President. I can't say that about Palin.

As for health care, I think we have to find someplace in between "fancy healthcare is a right that the government must provide in full for everyone" and our current situation, which leaves many people without basic health services that they need. It's simply shameful that we live in the most prosperous country in the world and yet have people going without basic health care. But that's a whole 'nother rant. :-)

Thanks for the conversation!

Camilo

"If we make health care a basic right we will go bankrupt as a nation."

Check out this link: http://brillig.com/debt_clock/

We ARE bankrupt as a nation. Substantially, Obama and McCain are the same (policy posturings notwithstanding).

Vote for neither.

RevK

I will pray for whomever is elected. However, I see such a great replay of 1976 with the frustration over Nixon, that the populace was ready to vote for anyone else, no matter what. I hope that the next "Reagan" is ready in 4 years.

Theisens

I didn't want to announce it this early, but a fellow co-worker and I are running in 2012. He's a registered democrat who usually votes republican and I'm a registered Libertarian.

Brainard-Theisens 2012. We value your support Boneman.

Boneman

Chris - why is health care a basic right? I'm not being rhetorical. I really don't get it.

Here's one of my major problems with universal health care. It is another step away from personal responsibility. People need to eat healthy foods, exercise, not abuse drugs... But they don't take care of themselves. So I'm supposed to pay into something and get worse care for folks who won't take care of themselves?

Boneman

Camilo - we're not technically bankrupt... yet.

There is an argument for selling our debt far and wide - it makes others far more interested and invested in our success. China needs us like we need them. That isn't a bad thing.

David Nethery

You're right on all counts , Boneman.

I'm dismayed by the number of "Christian conservatives" I know who are fed up with the Republicans (rightly so , IMO) but somehow feel that justifies them going over to vote for someone even worse ... HUH ? How's that work ? That's insanity.

For those who can't hold their nose and vote for McCain (I think I might be one of them ... I'd be glad to have anyone try to reason me out of it ) Rod Dreher had this to say:

“Withdrawing in disgust is not the same thing as apathy.”

http://www.amconmag.com/article/2008/nov/03/00008/

I know you weren't advocating not voting by what you wrote above . I'm the one pushing that into this conversation.

Maybe I'll "withdraw in disgust" or maybe I'll "throw my vote away" by writing in Ron Paul or voting for Chuck Baldwin who Ron Paul endorsed.

I can only hope that what Dreher said later in that article comes to pass:

"The Right desperately needs to repent, rethink, and rebuild—and only the pain of a shattering loss will force conservatives to confront reality"

I hope there will be repenting , rethinking , and rebuilding on the part of conservatives during the next four years of Obama's presidency .

Garrett

Bones,

I agree. This house full of yellow-free-market-real politickers is voting McCain. We are part of the supposed "other voices" and we're unashamed to vote creaky old school.

Splash

The degree to which traditional media has covered the tracks of a man who can only be described until recently as a pure Marxist is astounding. Rivaled only by the staggering naivete of Christians willing to stand with him.

It really comes down to the failure of both public and Christian schools to truly teach the nation's founding principles, economic and otherwise.

Shallow Christians shrug off Obama's radical abortion/infanticide voting record because -- more in keeping with Buddhism than biblical Christianity -- they've bought into the lie that war a sin, or at least equal to abortion.

They raise their WWJD wristbands as some rationale for backing a Marxist "redistribution of wealth" (Obama's actual words in a Chicago radio interview - check my blog for the link), while failing to realize taxation is theft, or legalized plunder as Frederick Bastiat called it. (If you're saying "Frederick who??" at this point, I rest my case.)

"...But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime." – Bastiat, The Law

Last I checked, there was a commandment against stealing. Last I checked, sacrificing children to Molech was a major sin, and backing the king who promotes it makes you worthy of divine wrath.

It blows me away that while Europe and even Canada (which just reelected a center-right government) is shifting right, we're about to play Russian Roulette with the most radical Leftist government we've ever seen.

And I count the votes for even a great man like Chuck Baldwin equally culpable for an Obama win as those cast directly. (Third party is a fine idea in the off-season as a drive toward the future, but on Tuesday, it's empty petulance.)

[Rant mode OFF.]

Be sure to check out Victor Davis Hanson on "The End of Journalism," too. And prove to me where he's wrong on a single point. Link:
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=OGFhOWY3YTZkMzliYjFjYTlkMjNjMGNhMTc3ZjYyMWM=

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