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April 20, 2007

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Jon

Garrett,

Did you know that Calvin, in 1544, refered to the rules that regulate our worship when discussing how we are to worship? Who cares if the term "regulative principle of worship" came into use in the 20th century?

Your view of subscription is simplistic. It fails to recognize the many nuances of subscription. By the way, who determines what you may disagree with in the Standards? You? Your confederation? If so, by what standard do they make this determination? Their opinion? What protection do your members have against you teaching heresy? It can't be the confession because you don't have to follow it. What is the purpose of the confession anyway--to demonstrate some random interpretaions by the Puritans of the 17th century? I guess you'll just have to cross your heart and promise them you'll always be right.

Jon

Brett,

Exactly how would you use the OT Temple as a pattern for NT worship? Aside from some of the common elements of worship (LC 108), what practices do you derive from the Temple?

I disagree with your assertion that most RPW guys neglect the heavenly context. On the contrary, I think only when we do follow God's pattern for worship do we, in fact, experience the heavenly context of worship.

In your paper you argued that Chirst accepted the celebration of Hanukkah. Doesn't your arguement, if accepted, prove too much? If Christ actually did accept and participate in a tradition of man and thereby deemed it acceptable in the worship of God, don't you undercut the very foundations of the RPW? How is Christ's participation, under your assumptions, consistant with the RPW? Either we need a clear Biblical warrant or we don't.

Boneman

Whoa, Nellie!

Hey - I don't have time to answer you now, Jon, but I would like to keep this civil if possible. I think you're asking good questions and I would like to try and answer them as best I can.

Pax,

Boneman

Boneman

I'll try to do this in brief:

1. Maybe I'm missing something, but in most of the reading I have done on historical Reformed liturgics (which there is not much of), the heavenly / Temple context of worshp seems pretty thin at best. Help me here, Jon.

2. What we see in the OC Temple is a picture of the house of God. We see God calling His people to Himself. We see that worshippers have to have their sin dealt with before they are set apart by the word of God. We see that worshippers share a fellowship meal after being cleansed and consecrated. We see that these worshippers are sent back into the world to do God's will. These aren't "elements," this is a Gospel-shaped / covenantal relationship between God and His people. Covenant renewal liturgics are coming into tighter view with guys like Jeffery Meyers and James Jordan. Elements like prayer and preaching need to be seen in light of this OT / NT Gospel liturgy.

3. I don't know how we avoid the Christ - Hanukkah connection. But, Jon, let's get more basic. The synagogue did not come to full bloom until the dispersion / inter-testamental period, but Christ / Paul recognized its tradition. Does this prove "too much?" Not unless you have made the RPW carry too much freight! The RPW is an application of sola scriptura to worship, but if it is a wooden concept we seek to press too far, it is simply unworkable. It is a conceptual hedge, but not a robust guide.

I'll keep thinking of better ways to say it. Please keep your comments coming...

Boneman

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